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Grasping at straws

After yesterdays new's about Jin, I thought fans would see the benefits of the new KT arrangement once they'd calmed down and be more positive and accepting about it. But no. When it comes to Jin, the foremost action of KT fans is to defend. Defending a member you love is a-ok. But forcibly denying what's happening... not-so-much-ok.

Yes, we all know that Jin has said that he has no desire to leave KT and that he will return. Before he left for LA, that is.

We also know that once he returned from his tour, his answer changed to I like doing solo work more then KT work and I don't know what will happen in the future.

Don't deny the change people.

If you don't believe the newspapers, tv reports, KT's tears or Johnny-san's words, at least put your own wants aside and see what Jin wants. What he's been wanting ever since he was chibi!JIn.

What I find weird is that most fans who are in denial about this trust Jin to be the most-honest-person-ever, which, hey, I have no problem with (though I disagree). But I'm really confused. If you trust what Jin says, then trust his actions too, because actions do really speak louder than words.

And by his actions, I mean his behaviour when he's doing KT activities vs his solo activities. You have to be blind or wading really, really deep in the denial pool to not see the difference.

Here is Jin during the promotion of 'Love Yourself.' Notice his blank face. Notice how people notice his blank face and how that affects the rest of KT. Do not make excuses like 'he's just shy around new ppl/the camera' because that. That isn't even an excuse. It's just what you want to believe. Jin's been the co-frontman of KT for how long now? Do you honestly believe that he could pull that off while being camera shy?? Just because he's not good at MC-ing doesn't make him shy.

Don't believe me, here's proof. Notice the expressions, the smile, the funny dance at the end. This is Jin doing solo work. This is Jin happy. This is also Jin in LA, a foreign land when compared to Japan and a foreign interviewer. And Jin is not shy. Why? Because he's not the shy type. A shy person whould not want to leave a group to go solo and embrace the centre of the spolight. It's obvious that Jin is thriving now that he's gotten the chance to follow his dreams. How can anyone deny that??

If Jin did return to KT like you all want him to, do you think he'd act any differently then he has been these past few years? Especially now that he's felt the thrill of holding his own solo con?? And do you think the rest of KT deserves that? To accept a member back into the group after he's already abandoned them twice, both at pivotol times in their career? To act as a safety net for someone who is half-hearted in all their activities and would rather be elsewhere??

And as for Jin, why don't you want him to live out his dream?? Because by asking him to remain with KT, that's what your doing. How can he have the freedom to give his all in his desired future if he's constantly running back to support KT?? If you don't want him going solo because you're worried that he'll fail, then you really don't have any respect for the rest of the members. KT should not be his back-up. KT should be his dream. But it's not, so deal with it. It's not like Jin hasn't made it obvious.

So yeah, I'm getting really annoyed by fans being selfish in the name of supporting KT. If you support them, don't deny what's clearly happening. Accept it and move on!!! Both KT and Jin are happy with this arrangement, so be happy that they're happy!!

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This is exactly what I'm thinking: I'd rather see them apart and happy then watch the five of them being cute with each other and Jin obviously not caring.
♥♥

Sad thing is, ppl are denying the fact going solo is Jin's decision which is all sort of wrong. :/

When news of Jin's solo tour first arrived, ppl got over it and were cheering that KT were going to divide and conquer. Now that it's permanent, I still don't see why that positive outlook can't be applied. KT are still awesome not matter what!! <33333

Going solo is definitely Jin's decision, but leaving KAT-TUN -- I'm not sure yet, since when he went to LA in March or whatever, he stated that he would definitely return to K-T which is much more than he gave us in 2006, so... idk. I wish him so much luck. ♥

Thing is, he can't go solo and remain as a part of KT. And given the recent news article, it seems that Johnny made that clear to him too and Jin still chose to go solo, and a consequence of that is him choosing to leave KT. But yep, I wish him luck too. ^__^

I totally get what you mean, but then again I wonder why they let Yamapi do solo-work (it's the 3rd single now, isn't it?) while he's still part of NEWS. Maybe they are different since Ryo's doing stuff with K8 and there's also TegoMass but I wish it'd work out the same way for Jin. *ramble*
Idk, I'm thinking too much about this issue. I'd like him to say something about it but honestly I'm not really expecting it any time soon. D:

*hugs*

A lot of ppl are wondering that actually. I don't follow any other group in JE besides KT, so I can't say for sure, but from what I know, Yamapi's solo activities have never disrupted NEWS' activities. I mean, I don't think Yamapi has chosen a solo activity over a group one before. There's also the fact that Yamapi is such a huge component of NEWS that the group may not be able to stand w/o him. Mostly, though, I think it's becuz Jin's not interested in anything besides solo work. His interest in KT is like non-existent and since his solo work is intended for the US, it just seems stupid and unnecessary to have him jump continents all the time. It just wouldn't be fair. For anyone.

*hugs back*

You took the words right out of my mouth. =.= I was thinking about making a post about this, but I'm a bit lazy and you said it all, really.

We also know that once he returned from his tour, his answer changed to I like doing solo work more then KT work and I don't know what will happen in the future.

This, to me, is the most damning evidence. I find that some fans are conveniently forgetting these parts. They're remembering the 'I won't quit KAT-TUN', etc, etc, but overlooking what he later said. It's a bit frustrating, to be honest. =.=' And even though I find Jin says what's on his mind 98% of the time - he's very bluntly honest - he's not an idiot either. And neither is the agency (most of the time =.=). For something as big as him leaving KAT-TUN... they would want to keep it under wraps (until now, obviously). I don't know how much I can trust that 'I won't quit KAT-TUN' statement anymore, especially after the 'I don't know what will happen in the future' b/c frankly? I think that statement trumps the previous one. And the way the answer is so vague? It kinda tips in the direction that he will leave. But that's just my opinion.

Also, I completely agree with your assessment in the above comments, comparing Yamapi's and Jin's situations. That's exactly how I view it. Plus, I really think if Jin were to go solo, he would want to focus 100% on that. Also, he likes his private time, and to juggle both solo and KT work? =.='' He wouldn't have time for himself, and that's a big no-no for him. Another point I've seen some people bring up - which I get so annoyed about, omg - is why can't KT put their activities on hold while Jin does his stuff (like how NEWS hasn't really done anything while their members pursue whatever projects). I haven't seen a lot of people mention this, but it has been mentioned. And I'm like, 'Are you freakin' kidding me?' Ugh. If there's one way for a group to fade into the background, it's for them to go on hiatus. That is so not what KT needs. They need exposure, not the exact opposite!

Ack, did I get a bit rant-y? I'm sorry. :( Anyways, great job on this post. You always write things so eloquently! -jealous- XD

inorite? They're like totally ignoring Jin's recent words at the same time they're clinging to his older ones. Srsly, ppl, stop with the picking and choosing!! Gosh, it's not like the guy can't change his mind. (tbh though, I never once believed that Jin really wanted to remain in KT since I believe what I see and not what I here. Like if someone said they loved you and then proceeded to treat you like crap, then for me the person obv lied. And yeah, Jin's not stupid. IMO, the only reason he said he wanted to stay was b/c he had no other option. If he had been given the same opportunity he received now earlier, whether it be 2 or 3 yrs ago, I'm sure he would have jumped to grab it. Not that I blame him, but just, I'm not about to defend his behaviour.)

And, omg, UGH. I HATE those fans who want KT to put a halt in their career just for Jin. Like, wth?!! It's their lives you're talking about. Get over yourselves, you stupid AOs. And pfffft, as if Kame would ever sit still and wait. Hell, none of the boys would, so yeah, in your face!! /feeling a childish triumph here

No worries. I can handle rants as long as they're not reeking of denial, and I kinda ranted back at you so we're even, lol. XDD I think you're way more elequent than I am, which I think you've realized after reading this, lol.

I've seen you around leaving very very sane and rational comments. I feel a great appreciation for fans like you at times like this.

If you don't mind, can I friend you?

Glad I appear sane & rational ~~when inside I'm raging or spazzing like crazy~~. :))))

Sure, sure. Friending you in return cuz you seem very sane as well. ;p

i hope you don't mind me coming here.

krysyuy mentioned this entry so i got curious. ^^;

A shy person whould not want to leave a group to go solo and embrace the centre of the spolight.
haven't thought of this argument before, but you're so right.

If Jin did return to KT like you all want him to, do you think he'd act any differently then he has been these past few years? Especially now that he's felt the thrill of holding his own solo con?? And do you think the rest of KT deserves that? To accept a member back into the group after he's already abandoned them twice, both at pivotol times in their career?
it's pretty obvious that he wouldn't act differently. but what bothers me the most is that these fans won't understand, no matter how much anyone tells them that KTTUN don't deserve to be treated that way, and that they want 6nin KT cause otherwise there's no KT, but in fact, 5nin KT is more of a band than 6nin is, with the way they seem so united, motivated, ambitious and happy and most of all dedicated to their fans. they want 6nin no matter what, even though it's obvious that KT isn't the same band it used to be. like you said, it's changed. they're hanging too much to the past, to some illusion of a great band, with them as 6. unfortunately, they won't understand that too soon. if they haven't after all these months, after seeing KTTUN's behavior or messages regarding their dream and direction they're heading towards, compared to Jin's, then it'll take a long time for ppl to get used to the reality.
i hope tho nothing happens at their cons, what with the yarakashi rumors and stuff. even if that rumor turns out to be false, it doesn't mean that kind of thing might not happen in the future >.>

anyway, sorry for the long comment =.= and for intruding. =.= i really liked your entry, i hope more ppl will open their eyes.

Ugh, they are so annoying. It's like they don't even really know what their asking for. In their minds, KT as a 6nin group is all that matters, and by thinking that, you're effectively thinking that in the importance spectrum Jin>>>>K5T-TUN. Which is just, NO. Five happy members trump one gloomy one any day. >:(

It's amazing how much they let Jin get away with. Like I tried crtiquine him once on his bahaviour and ppl jumped so quickly to defend with so many lame excuses. But then again, those excuses were provided to them by Jin with his stupid "I'm easily misunderstood." Jin, this (http://holly-berri.livejournal.com/2166.html?thread=34422#t34422) does not leave room for misunderstandings. The message is pretty clear: YOU DON"T GIVE A DAMN.

I kinda ranted back at you. Sorry. I'm just really irked, but I'm glad you liked my entry.

*critiquing

uhm, no problem, ranting is better than keeping it in ^^

thx for the link, i hadn't read that entry since, well, i don't click on every KTlove post these days =.= or at least i try not to.
the entry was nice and all, but then i read the first comment which said "if you seen some interview, he said LOTS of hateful things towards KAT-TUN ex: he said he doesn't want to share same gakuya with KAT-TUN..when asked what was his best memories while in KAT-TUN, he said there weren't any. when he was asked if he's planning to stay in entertainment business for a long time-even after 10 years later- he said he doubt it and he wants to retire earliest possible." and "and at that day (yesterday) when KAT-TUN was performing a Tokyo Dome concert after the conference, what do you think Jin was doing? working hard at LA? practicing his song and dance skills?? Going back to Japan to see KAT-TUN's Dome concert secretly??? NO Jin was at South Korea, with Nishikido Ryo and others at CASINO gambling."
that was very interesting. very. o.o
good to know.
so thanks :)

Yep, I found that piece of news very eye-opening, like coffee. /stealing Junno's pun XD

man, id hate to be them when october?(is that the magic date?) comes and the "Jin is returning to KAT-TUN" they're holding onto blows up in their faces. sorry, i just don't think there's going to be a "the prodigal son returns 2.0" on this saga.

kame basically put out there -- we're fine without him. we'll do fine without him. he left us before and we did alright. it's not the first time we're going to deal with something like this. we've created a new shape for the 5 of us. -- are those the words of someone who thinks Jin is coming back or someone who wants Jin to come back? Nope. XDDD

and let's not forget, johnny was quoted as saying "he has no plans of returning but even if he did, the other 5 wont forgive him so easily this time". is there anything more final than that?

No need to apologize. I don't anticipate his return either. If he does return, it'll be a lose-lose situation for everyone too, since: a) Jin's not about to change his attitude so we'll be stuck with the gloomy face again, b) Jin will prove that he's used KT as a back-up once again. I really don't get why ppl want him to stay so bad. Like what is he really offering the group besides hogging the spotlight from more deserving members and his ~~autotuned~~ voice??

How ppl can overlook Kame's and even Johnny's words is mind-boggling. I think they're expecting to see Johnny pop in on tv and scream it to them. >:S

If Jin did return to KT like you all want him to, do you think he'd act any differently then he has been these past few years? Especially now that he's felt the thrill of holding his own solo con?? And do you think the rest of KT deserves that? To accept a member back into the group after he's already abandoned them twice, both at pivotal times in their career? To act as a safety net for someone who is half-hearted in all their activities and would rather be elsewhere??

THIS. Word. I agree completely. These are like, the thoughts I didn't know how to put into words.

♥!

I don't think fans realize what they're actually asking for when they say they want Jin back in KT...

Yeah. Probably just another year of fedora-wearing half-assery. And I can't stand for seeing that, especially now that KT-TUN's stronger than they've ever been before.

Probably just another year of fedora-wearing half-assery

...until he decides to ditch them once more. ~~Third times the charm!~~

*nods* They really are so strong now. And look (http://luna-rainbow.livejournal.com/277698.html#cutid1), even Maru's speaking up!

agree with your pov! i think likewise too! had fun reading! thank you! cheers!

Hey scorch66, This statement of yours just gave me goosebumps. "KT should not be his back-up. KT should be his dream. But it's not, so deal with it. It's not like Jin hasn't made it obvious."
Its so true. Koki, Ueda and Kame have mentioned similarly, Maru is always trying to think of the group. And Junno, though he's KY always tries to get the group together. I think for them, kat-tun is a dream, family, their center.

I have no idea why I hadn't read this sooner but I feel so similarly to you about Jin. It seems like he is happy being solo now. And even Ueda and Maru have voiced out their support for him. Its okay for Jin to be solo if it means all 6 of them will still be happy with what they do. I was and still am I suppose a fan of 6 KAT-TUN but sadly it won't be existing anymore. And I rather have a happy 6 as a group and solo than have one unhappy group that tries to cover up for a sour puss. I don't think I can start trashing or ignore Jin completely since I think he was an important part of KAT-TUN for a long time. But I don't quite understand the theatrics or drama over why some people are bashing either Jin or KAT-TUN. You've said it very nicely and eloquently in your post.

I apologize for commenting on a post that was written some time back. But I didn't want to read anything back then since fans were trashing each other. And I came across your post because you had that lovely Kame Post and was re-visiting it. And saw this. :)

Yeah, I never really understood all the theatrics either, since for me the split made perfect sense; it's win-win all around, really. But then again, I'm fairly new to KT (entered the fandom aroun late 2008/09) so I never got quite that attached to Jin. I started by watching their older vids and he was a fun, goofy guy but as time progressed and his lack of respect/loyalty/consideration for the group became more apparent, I went from :) to :( to :|. But whatevs, what's passed has passed. I've lost a lot of repect for him, but I don't hate the guy. It's his life and he has the right to follow whatever path he so chooses, it's just disappointing that he chose to do it in such a way that hurt the ones who supported him for so long. *sighs* Still, best of luck to him.

No problem, I don't mind ;) KT fandom was scattered all over the place during the time of The Great Divide. And I'm glad to know that you liked my Kame posts enough to revisit them. ^__^v

I think when I first saw your Kame post, I was so amazed at the entire collection of video links, pictures and information you had collected. I am a Kame fan too so I thoroughly enjoyed the read. And I even added it to memories on top of replying at the page. But I do stalk it from time to time. I think its been at least 4 times now. Could I add you to my friends list? You haven't privatise your fangirling pages but I find that your way of thinking is quite alike mine. And it would be nice to get to know you. :)

Yeah, I tend to stock up on anything interesting concerning Kame (and since it's Kame, it's mostly everything) ^^;

^___________^ <33333 So glad you like it so much!

No problem, friending you back! =)

This gomenne I just happen to know your lj like now
hope I can still comment
I totally agree with u on this
though I really hate sorry angry at Jin for being selfish
I rather he leave for good
bc he does not deserve kt as much as kt does not deserve Jin
people change and there is no point of holding them back
let's move on and create the magical feel of what is us
the 5 member kt
it's different. It's no longer magical akame we sought
but the kt now is just as awesome
gomen demo I admire them more than I am to Jin
bc while Jin chasing after his dream
kt fill up the empty spaces he left behind
with such unity and grace
and still be friend with him
that I have to admire
it sad that they can't never be together like we wish them to
but let's. Just move on ne
there's more to like then Jin in la lol
I hope iam not offending anybody
gomenasai!

No problem~ It's totally okay to comment. But wow, I made this post almost a year ago; I was very new and annoyed by the fandom at the time lol. It's just. I don't like people making excuses for Jin. He's a grown man and should be able to speak up for himself. And by that I mean something other than 'I'm misunderstood..' and offering no explanation. *sighs*

But it's all in the past now. I'm over my annoyance ~~mostly~~. KAT-TUN is doing fantastically as 5nin and Jin is doing well on his own, too. Best decision for them both. ;D And you're not offensive at all. I love how you mentioned KT's maturity during and after the split. They definitely handled it with maturity. ♥

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